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PostSubject: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 17:19

Going change my turbo In near future any know what max stand position turbo you can get befor you go rotated set up 

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 17:37

You have just changed it? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 17:57

You can get a fp black hta thats rated over 600hp but i think the standard fit hi horsepower items are laggy compared to rotated setups due to lack of flow capabilities. :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 18:12

Cheers mate I know mate md321t 

But small now for my new build
 so planing on running in engine then maxing turbo see how it goes 

then upgrading turbo try get 550+
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 18:51

People have had near 500 on the 321t with meth. Have you thought about using avcs heads cos im sure the alcatek can control it and that will help bring spool down on your 550 setup in future
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 19:20

I did think about it but just decided on porting my heads and get them rebuilt and changing cams 

As would need avcs heads, harness and custom harnes to run in  then map befor could even start it up
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 20:58

How much do you want to spent ?! OD will build you a custom standardosition turbo that will do 600bhp easy enough,

Few of the sprint lads run them..
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 20:59

Also, you can run your AvCS heads with solenoid disconnected and it wont damage them, just obviously effect spool times etc..
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 1 Mar - 21:22

i want ya turbo first dibs yeah
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 2 Mar - 7:46

As stick said, Owen Developments, can only get them from Chevron tho
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 2 Mar - 14:52

garyblake wrote:
then upgrading turbo try get 550+

Shocked Shocked

550+bhp! you loving the power chasing aren't ya! haha Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Fri 6 Mar - 22:06

StickT wrote:
Also, you can run your AvCS heads with solenoid disconnected and it wont damage them, just obviously effect spool times etc..

are you sure mate scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Fri 6 Mar - 22:23

Yeah a few of the lads on the sprint have had to run with the disconnected ...

I didnt think it sounds healthy either to be fair but the more knowledgable folk seem to think its ok ?!
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Fri 6 Mar - 22:39

how would oil get into the avcs cam wheels as they drain when removed?? running them empty of oil would destroy them and would surely cause timing belt failure and engine damage

also the ecu needs to self centralise the avcs cams on start up, how would this happen with no oil feed and no map on ecu to control avcs ?


obviously the downsides are a lot more than just abit laggy bud Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sat 7 Mar - 1:22

He means just disconnecting the electrics, not the plumbing if that makes any difference mate?
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sat 7 Mar - 20:26

atwrx wrote:
He means just disconnecting the electrics, not the plumbing if that makes any difference mate?

yeah you could disconnect the solenoid on a car which already has avcs and has previously ran with avcs working as the cam wheels will have enough oil in them to run without them being damaged, but garys car does not have avcs so in order to fit avcs to it the, ecu would need tweaking/remap before start up as the cam wheels would be empty of oil and would knock back an forth.
this is because the cam wheels drain of oil when they are removed
the oil feed to the cam wheels is controlled via the solenoid,which is controlled by ecu:D
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Sun 8 Mar - 21:42

Yeah thats all i meant, disconnect the electrics. Get the car running and working on them then disconnect electrics..
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 0:17

I thought the oil feeding into the pulley was to act against a spring mechanism and advance the cam, not for any lubrication purposes etc?

As far as the larger standard fit turbos go, check out the Blouch turbos from the USA. Theyre what the Scoobyclinic turbos are based on.
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 13:58

Launch Graphics wrote:
I thought the oil feeding into the pulley was to act against a spring mechanism and advance the cam, not for any lubrication purposes etc?

As far as the larger standard fit turbos go, check out the Blouch turbos from the USA. Theyre what the Scoobyclinic turbos are based on.

no one mentioned lubrication purposes scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 14:47

What damage could be done by running them without the solenoids connected then?
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 15:09

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What damage could be done by running them without the solenoids connected then?

the avcs cam pulley will have no oil in so it WONT be able to hold its position and will knock back and forth by, how many times do u want me to repeat, please read previuos posts lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 16:00

So you could run them, but would need to be mapped first, then disconnected, which I presume would mean getting a wiring harness, which would then mean he would have AVCS and would therefore be stupid to disconnect, unless racing in a series which doesn't allow it? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 16:24

Okay, i was just led to believe the pulleys would hold firmly in place and have heard of some people fitting them and having them mapped in later. Someone claimed to run avcs on a non avcs car, the avcs cams need advancing by one tooth when timing them up until they were able to be mapped in. Maybe they ran a current through the solenoid for an initial fill then? I dunno, havnt looked too much directly into them tbh
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 16:44

atwrx wrote:
So you could run them, but would need to be mapped first, then disconnected, which I presume would mean getting a wiring harness, which would then mean he would have AVCS and would therefore be stupid to disconnect, unless racing in a series which doesn't allow it? Laughing

yes that's exactly rite Lucky! and that was my point, the car would need mapped before gary could run it in if avcs was fitted to prevent damage to the cam wheels
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PostSubject: Re: Max out of stand position turbo    Mon 9 Mar - 17:05

Launch Graphics wrote:
Okay, i was just led to believe the pulleys would hold firmly in place and have heard of some people fitting them and having them mapped in later. Someone claimed to run avcs on a non avcs car, the avcs cams need advancing by one tooth when timing them up until they were able to be mapped in. Maybe they ran a current through the solenoid for an initial fill then? I dunno, havnt looked too much directly into them tbh


a lot more to it than an trying to guess the amount of oil needed by putting a current through the solenoid, the ecu regulates the amount of oil needed and self centralises the camshaft on a start up after a ecu reset or and a period of battery disconnect, im not even going to comment on trying to fudge it by knocking the cam timing out by a tooth lol!

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