North East Subaru Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.



 
HomeLatest imagesRegisterLog in
NESF- the award winning and largest club stand for the 3rd year running @ NBO- well done everyone that attended.
Latest topics
» My classic
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptySat 11 Jan - 11:21 by keffer

» R.I.P Gipa
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyMon 9 Dec - 18:34 by maca

» Blobeye wrx
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptySat 29 Apr - 22:21 by Mat1985

» Forum has gone down hill
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptySat 25 Mar - 8:12 by wrx/uk/ppp

» I'm back...
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyTue 31 Jan - 21:44 by ConnorJ

» How many people are currently coming on here?
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptySat 21 Jan - 15:04 by phil555

» Best place for mot
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyFri 13 Jan - 15:30 by maca

» another new/old member
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyFri 13 Jan - 15:23 by maca

» Pink injectors
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptySun 16 Oct - 23:01 by EJ22 GAV

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
May 2024
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
  12345
6789101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728293031  
CalendarCalendar
BBC News

 

 Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems

Go down 
5 posters
AuthorMessage
Weasel 555

Weasel 555


Posts : 220
Join date : 2010-06-29
Location : Global Weasel

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyWed 13 Oct - 10:22

read this over on nasioc , figure would be good for here too

--------------------------

Subaru issues statement about alleged problems with 2.5-litre engines
Mon, 11 Oct 2010


Subaru has issued an "engineering statement", following criticism of its 2.5-litre engine (used in the Impreza and Forester) on social network sites.

Click: facebook.com/topic.

Owners on these sites have complained of fragile pistons, which in one case caused £15,000 worth of damage.

In its full statement, Subaru said:

"You will have been referred to this statement from your contact with several social networking sites.

Due to the fact that there has been quite a large amount of inaccurate and misleading comment on a number of these sites, we felt it appropriate from an engineering and technical perspective to outline the design brief of the 2.5 litre Subaru Boxer engine fitted to 2008/2009 Impreza WRX/STI and further explain some facts that will help your understanding.

Subaru is an environmentally conscious company that seeks to build products that are thoroughly engineered for the purpose for which they are intended with regard to delivering class leading performance whilst still meeting the very stringent environmental control standards demanded from modern day vehicles; not only by customers but also by the European Union.

The Subaru team of Engineers, who we believe to be the most capable and knowledgeable in the business have designed the 2.5 litre unit with lighter weight and lower friction materials, giving higher power without sacrificing current emission and CO2 outputs.

The expectation therefore, is that provided the engine is operated within design criteria, using correct fuel grades (97 RON) and serviced within the manufacturer's guidelines, the engine will prove its durability in keeping with Subaru traditions.

From a statistical viewpoint, to date 1,044 Subaru Impreza WRX STI 08/09 model year vehicles have been supplied into the UK market through our distribution network and only a small percentage of those have suffered any kind of engine failure. It was recognised very early that a modification to the fuel cut off parameters at maximum engine revolutions was required to reduce impact stresses to the piston land area, therefore an ECU map re-write was introduced on all production vehicles. Also vehicles held in UK stock were modified and a Service Campaign was issued to the UK Subaru network for vehicles already placed in the market.

From the information gathered through Fuji Heavy Industries' Engineering Teams, our Regional Service Managers and warranty information, it has been determined that engine failures have occurred due to one, or a combination of the following points:

Engine rev limits being constantly exceeded due to over speeding
Vehicles being un-officially modified outside the design brief of the engine (unit is designed for around 300 BHP or 330 BHP in the case of the STI 330S, not more)
Track use (racing, time trials, rallying etc)
Incorrect maintenance procedures, causing engines to be run with insufficient or contaminated lubricating oils
Use of incorrect fuel grade (RON)
Unofficial "grey" Imports of undetermined specification, ie. not supplied by Subaru (UK)
As previously stated, our engines are designed to be operated within the design brief. Where owners have decided to unilaterally modify their vehicles, it can be expected that failures will almost certainly occur.

The view taken by our warranty staff has been to investigate thoroughly each case presented, and where evidence is in any way inconclusive, we have always covered those units under the terms of the new vehicle warranty. As customers should rightly expect, the engine will rev freely throughout its complete range, without fault, as long as the points above are observed.

You may be aware of a recent joint venture between Subaru (UK) and Cosworth in the development of the Impreza CS400 producing 400 BHP and 375 ft/lbs of torque. This engine has been entirely re-configured from the bottom up to ensure reliability at these power and torque outputs. The high degree of testing and engineering expertise employed by both Subaru (UK) and Cosworth on this project serves to highlight our belief that simply adding performance componentry without an exhaustive development programme will undoubtedly compromise reliability - as other performance tuners have found to their cost.

To benchmark the project, a standard WRX STI engine unit was run on a Dynamometer for 50 hours non-stop at varying power and speed settings to replicate the most extreme usage and to highlight any areas of concern; needless to say, no problems became evident despite being operated under these intense conditions. Cosworth Technical Director, Bruce Wood, confirmed the WRX STI OE specification unit passed Coworth's test regime.

"We were encouraged that the standard STI engine passed our 50 hour continuous test, which we consider to be rigorous, as this indicated that the starting point for the CS400 programme was suitably robust."

Our views are shared by the international motor service community and to present an independent engineering statement from an internationally recognised motor service organisation, MSI Motor Service International GmbH (www.ms-motor-service.com) which clearly states the following regarding piston failure:

"Material faults are not the reason for ring land fractures, even though they are often the suspected cause. This type of fracture always results from overstressing the material." (Piston Damages - Recognising and Rectifying, section 3.4.4)

Our stance is clear and consistent on these issues; where customers are prepared to modify and/or operate their vehicles outside the design parameters, this will invalidate our warranty agreement because it can be expected that failures will occur through no fault of Fuji Heavy Industries or Subaru (UK) in regard to faulty manufacture or improper design, always remembering that the 08/09 STI is designed to be completely reliable at around 300 BHP (and 330 BHP for the STI 330S) but not at 350, 380 or even 400 BHP - power levels at which some owners claim to be running their vehicles. Where any doubt exists, the warranty available through Subaru (UK) is there to support any engine and vehicle defect reported.

Should any customer/owner require assistance with engine or indeed any vehicle related issue, the initial approach would be to discuss the problem with your selling/servicing dealer who will involve the services of Subaru (UK) if required. Customer satisfaction is at the heart of everything we do and it is absolutely not in Subaru (UK)'s interest, either financially or reputationally, to decline fair and proper warranty claims. We will not do it.

Delivery of excellent customer support is our goal, and our award-winning performance in this area over a period of more than 30 years is no coincidence.

We would like to thank you for choosing Subaru and ensure you of our endeavour to make your ownership experience a good one.

Subaru (UK)

Click: honestjohn.co.uk/news/legal--motoring-advice/2010-10/subaru-issues-statement

.
Back to top Go down
http://www.hellofish.net/photos/main.php
Andy Kindon




Posts : 1872
Join date : 2010-03-18
Age : 48
Location : Unit 10 Stella gill, Cheste-le-street

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyWed 13 Oct - 11:03

light weight materials No ya cud put a shop window out with the standard pistons lol!
Back to top Go down
Rob84

Rob84


Posts : 206
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 39
Location : Cumbria

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyThu 14 Oct - 20:44

I made a Nice Ornament outta My busted Piston from cylinder 2 haha Thats all there fit for lol!
Back to top Go down
drew@drewsautos

drew@drewsautos


Posts : 2346
Join date : 2010-04-19
Location : All Major Debit & Credit Cards Now Accepted

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyThu 14 Oct - 22:10

they'll make nice paper weights lol or door stops
Back to top Go down
kgt
Admin
kgt


Posts : 4785
Join date : 2010-03-22
Age : 105
Location : Bishop Aukward

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyWed 15 Dec - 9:08

Chaps, I realise this is an old post and the subject itself has been debated a number of times, but can someone please give me an educated opinion. I'm looking at an 08/09 Sti to replace my current vehicle and would look to keep this standard (dont laugh) and look after it accordingly.

With that statement in mind, do I have anything to worry about or not, as I'd rather not be looking at a non-Scoob replacement ??
Back to top Go down
Rob84

Rob84


Posts : 206
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 39
Location : Cumbria

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyWed 15 Dec - 21:33

kgt wrote:
Chaps, I realise this is an old post and the subject itself has been debated a number of times, but can someone please give me an educated opinion. I'm looking at an 08/09 Sti to replace my current vehicle and would look to keep this standard (dont laugh) and look after it accordingly.

With that statement in mind, do I have anything to worry about or not, as I'd rather not be looking at a non-Scoob replacement ??

My Honest opinion from being on the inside of what happens I.E working for a dealership. The car in standard from is perfectly ok if looked after like you say. The ppp kit and 330s cars cause me no end of greif the mapping is all wrong and they do blow for fun in fact i have one in the workshop thats blown the ringlands for the 5th time in 20,000 miles.

When the car is custom remapped by the likes of Duncan/ AndyF or Bob rawle they are ok aswell as its suited better to the car than the off the shelf ppp any ecu will do malarky, what might be ok for one car may not be the same for another

Mine did pop on cylinder 2 but that was down to fuel in the end after various tests by weights and measures it lasted 30,200 miles at 380 bhp at 1.5 bar of boost and it didnt really have an easy life to be fair.

We currently have one 08 sti in stock its only been with us a few days now after we eventually picked it up from another dealer, they are quite popular in this area to be honest
Back to top Go down
kgt
Admin
kgt


Posts : 4785
Join date : 2010-03-22
Age : 105
Location : Bishop Aukward

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptyThu 16 Dec - 7:49

Cheers Rob, I was hoping you'd reply on this one as you can see it from many angles. Its a while before I'll have the chance to replace my car but seing as my options are limited, I want to get my short list sorted ahead of time. The problem with driving these sort of cars is the replacement list is limited - its basically WRX, STi and (dare I say it) Evo. And then its limited a little bit further coz I want another red one, and dont think red Hawk STi's even exist, Ive never bloody seen one. What a dilema - at least I know I can count the Hatch in now. cheers
Back to top Go down
Rob84

Rob84


Posts : 206
Join date : 2010-03-21
Age : 39
Location : Cumbria

Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems EmptySat 18 Dec - 17:37

we have the last of the old shape hatches in our showroom in yep..... you guesed it RED Laughing

£26k its up for sale for brand new as the new shape is parked next to it at £33,495 lol
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content





Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty
PostSubject: Re: Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems   Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Subaru UK issues a statement on alleged '08-'09 2.5 turbo problems
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Does a subaru turbo fit a golf turbo
» Lost fob for subaru turbo 2000 need new 1
» subaru impreza turbo's
» subaru 2.0 turbo wanted
» Rev issues!!!

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
North East Subaru Forum :: Subaru Technical Section-
Jump to: