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mackemdaz

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PostSubject: starting/alarm problems ???   starting/alarm problems ??? EmptyTue 31 May - 19:18

second time this is happened now, dont have a clue what it could be!

first time sunday, normal drive to the metrocentre ( with the kids in the car so sensible head on ) and when i got to the car park let it tick over while getting the bairns out, took the key out to set alarm and nothing, tried to start it again at this point and nothing again! pressing the button on the fob did nothing!

tonight on the way home from work, 10 min drive ( 30 zones ) from southwick to the town centre to get some cash out, stopped after tick over again ( im a right freak for letting it run when ive stopped lol ) before getting out to goto the cash machine, 5 mins maximum! got back in the car and wouldnt start! again the fob done nothing nor would the alarm set!

started as normal after 5-10 mins of pressing the button, swearing and scratching me head!

HELP, before it starts doing it more often!!

cheers daz
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PostSubject: Re: starting/alarm problems ???   starting/alarm problems ??? EmptyTue 31 May - 20:12

It'll be radio interference messing with the frequency of the key fob mate, common problem if it has a Sigma alarm?
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PostSubject: Re: starting/alarm problems ???   starting/alarm problems ??? EmptyTue 31 May - 21:27

I had this problem when i first bought my car. You can solve it buy buying a shielded receiver chip for your alarm modular its quite easy to do. Just unsolder one chip and solder the shield one in the hard part is finding someone to sell you the chip. I bought one of a seller on ebay but i can not find out who.

You can also buy a full replacement modular from Subaru with the shielded chip for around £70-£90.

If i find out who i bought it off i will let you know
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PostSubject: Re: starting/alarm problems ???   starting/alarm problems ??? EmptyTue 31 May - 21:39

Strange that yeah its sigma mate. New batteries in the fob to rule that out like. Might try and get a different make of alarm fitted then, or look into that chip thing!! Cheers lads
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PostSubject: Re: starting/alarm problems ???   starting/alarm problems ??? EmptyTue 31 May - 21:56

This could explain it a bit more

Ok, this could be quite lengthy so apologies in advance. Firstly an explanation and brief history of the problem.....

Radio Lock Out
- All alarm systems manufactured for use in the UK in ’99 were required to operate on the frequency of 433MHz. Subsequently, in late 2000, the government allowed the introduction of the “Tetra” radio network for telecommunications companies, the military, police, fire and ambulance services etc, which was allocated the 420-430MHz bandwidths.
Although not exactly the same frequency, these “Tetra” transmitters are licensed and so are allowed to operate at around 20,000 watts, compared with the alarm systems 0.5 watt radio key (necessary so that your radio keys remain exempt from annual licensing fees!)
As a result, when you are near a transmitting “Tetra” mast you can get a degree of “bleed over” as their signal is so much stronger and this can swamp the transmission from the radio key.

This problem is not exclusive to this system and can occur on any number of manufacturers systems produced prior to 2001.

The receiver boards were redesigned to focus more accurately on the 433.92HHz frequency as soon as this problem became evident and these are the commonly known as the "shielded" units. This term is a little misleading as no "shielding" has been carried out, but simply refers to the later receiver boards in appearance.
Systems manufactured before 2001, with the older receiver boards may experience this problem, but are not faulty and were not considered eligible for warranty at the time.
However, as a goodwill measure, customers who suffered from “exceptional” radio lock-out (ie lived or worked below a mast) were offered an upgraded receiver board whilst the vehicle was still within the warranty period.
This goodwill period was extended for a further 12 months after the 3 year warranty period expired, but ended in December 2004.
Later ECUs with the "Tetra resistant" receiver are still available from Subaru (part number SACC 3465 iro £70)

Avoidance:
There are a few points that should be remembered:

- All vehicles that passed through the import centre from January 2001 are equipped with the latest receiver boards that are "Tetra Resistant" and so should not experience this problem.
- A keypad is fitted to ALL models with the UK standard fit alarm system (from 99 MY) as an emergency override, in the event of loss, damage, flat radio key battery etc. (The keypad also allows the driver to access a number of features and is a complete programming tool for the dealers) and so pushing/recovery of vehicle’s should not be necessary provided you know your override PIN and ow to operate the keypad.
- The keypad can NOT be affected by "Radio Lock-Out", as it is hard wired into the system and does not rely on a radio transmission.

Keypad Use:
- The keypad allows only THREE PIN attempts and then will "Lock Up" if an incorrect number is entered a third time. This is a secuity feature to prevent random attempts at steeling the vehicle, however, it is also an inconvenience if you are suffering "Radio Lock Out" and enter your PIN incorrectly.
- The PIN number should not be entered too quickly or too slowly - when a digit has been pressed the small LED built into the keypad will illuminate briefly as confirmation and only then should the next digit be entered.

If an incorrect digit is pressed or the delay between entering digits exceeds 10 seconds, then the LED above the keypad will flash rapidly and the PIN attempt should be aborted and started again after 30 seconds.
Due to the small size of the keypad some users may find a rubber tipped pencil easier to use. DO NOT use the sharp tip of a ball point pen etc, or press excessively hard on the keypad as this will only damage the membrane and cause a digit to remain pressed, causing a continual flash incorrect PIN. If this occurs the membrane on the keypad can be replaced separately - the part number for the membrane alone is SACC3463-CVR. Remember to leave the system for 30 minutes after applying the new membrane before attempting to enter the programming sequence.

Summary:
My advice is to read the alarm system's instruction manual and practice entering the PIN before you need it. If you do not know your PIN, or bought the car second hand (in which case the PIN may have been changed by the previous owner) you can change the PIN to one of your own choosing, using the keypad, provided that you have a working Radio Key.

Changing your PIN:
- Arm and then Disarm the system using a working Radio Key.
- Within 30 seconds of disarming, type into the keypad: *17856*92*wxyz*wxyz# (where wxyz is your new PIN code)
- Arm the system with the Radio Key
- You should now be able to disarm the system using the new PIN code

Ensure your keypad is operational before you need it on a dark night!
If this is an intermittent problem, use of the keypad should overcome the problem. However, if the problem is more frequent it may be worth considering a new control unit - An SACC 3465 should cost in the region of £70 from a Subaru dealer and your existing keys can still be used.
Although installation may take around 30 minutes, do not pay over the odds for programming the system, as this can be done in 5 minutes using the keypad.

Sorry that this is such a long-winded post, but I hope that it answers the questions raised and will keep everyone mobile.

Depending on how often this issue occurs will dictate whether you can get by with using the keypad occasionally, or if you require a later alarm unit. The replacement unit that you have been quoted seems excessive to me - the later unit (part number SACC3465) should be iro £70 plus fitting. Fitting should take no more than an hour and programming less than 5 minutes.
You could always try a local Sigma dealer, if you are not having any success with your local Subaru dealer.

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PostSubject: Re: starting/alarm problems ???   starting/alarm problems ??? EmptyWed 1 Jun - 5:11

Cheers mate ! Will see how frequent it happens. Oh and dig out the keypad code just incase haha
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